Need a 270mm Sujihiki

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gladius
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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by gladius » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:08 pm

Robenco15 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:25 pm
Thanks guys! Is the Mazaki 300mm only available at cleancut?

Also, what is the blade height. In this video of the Masakage Koishi 300mm Sujihiki, it looks extremely tall. I'm not looking for anything that tall. I understand that is a different knife, but just as a point of reference, are we talking shorter than that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJWhkv0fzs

Thank you!
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Here are photos...

http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/mazaki/


Personally I got the Toyama...liked the tip better. :)

http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/to ... iki-300mm/

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Cutuu » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:18 pm

gladius wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:08 pm
Robenco15 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:25 pm
Thanks guys! Is the Mazaki 300mm only available at cleancut?

Also, what is the blade height. In this video of the Masakage Koishi 300mm Sujihiki, it looks extremely tall. I'm not looking for anything that tall. I understand that is a different knife, but just as a point of reference, are we talking shorter than that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJWhkv0fzs

Thank you!
---
Here are photos...

http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/mazaki/


Personally I got the Toyama...liked the tip better. :)

http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/to ... iki-300mm/
One thing to consider about the toyama if you go that route it's tall at the heel allowing for alot of clearance, but perhaps taller than one might think they would like/want. But the height tapers. It start at the heel at 45mm by a third away from the heel it's down to 40 mm by halfway it's about 35ish. This ends up making it a really versatile knife.

Robenco15
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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Robenco15 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:25 pm

Um yeah. The Toyoma is $400. Not happening.

No pictures there of the 300mm Mazaki. I found it on cleancut though. No where did I see blade height though. 45mm is pretty tall for me for a 300mm. More sword than knife.

Edit: the 270mm Mazaki is apparently 49mm high at the heel. What? That’s so tall. I want like 39-40mm blade height. Slicing. Not fighting.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by gladius » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:49 pm

Robenco15 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:25 pm
Um yeah. The Toyoma is $400. Not happening.

No pictures there of the 300mm Mazaki. I found it on cleancut though. No where did I see blade height though. 45mm is pretty tall for me for a 300mm. More sword than knife.

Edit: the 270mm Mazaki is apparently 49mm high at the heel. What? That’s so tall. I want like 39-40mm blade height. Slicing. Not fighting.
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I've got a Hinora 270 which is 38mm at the heel and it is within budget at $280...very high quality.

http://www.epicedge.com/shopexd.asp?id=92950

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Drewski » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:13 pm

gladius wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:08 pm
Robenco15 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:25 pm
Thanks guys! Is the Mazaki 300mm only available at cleancut?

Also, what is the blade height. In this video of the Masakage Koishi 300mm Sujihiki, it looks extremely tall. I'm not looking for anything that tall. I understand that is a different knife, but just as a point of reference, are we talking shorter than that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJWhkv0fzs

Thank you!
---
Here are photos...

http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/mazaki/


Personally I got the Toyama...liked the tip better. :)

http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/to ... iki-300mm/
:shock: 390mm takobiki

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by inzite » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:37 pm

Robenco15 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:25 pm
Um yeah. The Toyoma is $400. Not happening.

No pictures there of the 300mm Mazaki. I found it on cleancut though. No where did I see blade height though. 45mm is pretty tall for me for a 300mm. More sword than knife.

Edit: the 270mm Mazaki is apparently 49mm high at the heel. What? That’s so tall. I want like 39-40mm blade height. Slicing. Not fighting.
270 mazaki from jns says 43mm i would expect cleancut to be similar.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Robenco15 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:39 pm

Two more knife thoughts contenders. 270mm Kaeru and 270mm Zakaru. Still not sure about 270mm vs. 300mm. Having trouble finding 300mm options.

Good to know about the Mazaki.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by inzite » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:42 pm

comes down to the steel and what you prefer, for a slicer i would go white imo but you may need better edge retention so mazaki white is likely the only choice if u want white since he takes it harder (a kato suji is totally out of your budget). kaeru is probably good too if u don't want carbon. not mentioning toyama since u said it was 400 and out of budget. Not sure if u meant zakuri or not but they will be lower quality compared to the others mentioned.

270 vs 300 all depends if you have the working space and how tall you want your suji to be, longer tends to be taller at the heel generally speaking.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Robenco15 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:23 am

So I think the 270mm Mazaki Kasumi may be the knife. I don't want it too tall so I'm hoping JNS may have some in stock that are less than 43mm. I like the look, shape, steel, price, and everything else. A 300mm may be a size I could work with, but there was a chance that it could be too big for my work area. With a longer blade comes a taller blade and I really don't want anything too tall so that also makes me think 270mm may be better. Just hoping that a 40mm or even 38mm Mazaki Kasumi exists. My 210mm Gyuto is 43mm tall. Not sure I want that in a Sujihiki.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by inzite » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:47 am

Robenco15 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:23 am
So I think the 270mm Mazaki Kasumi may be the knife. I don't want it too tall so I'm hoping JNS may have some in stock that are less than 43mm. I like the look, shape, steel, price, and everything else. A 300mm may be a size I could work with, but there was a chance that it could be too big for my work area. With a longer blade comes a taller blade and I really don't want anything too tall so that also makes me think 270mm may be better. Just hoping that a 40mm or even 38mm Mazaki Kasumi exists. My 210mm Gyuto is 43mm tall. Not sure I want that in a Sujihiki.
i think someone above mentioned already but i'll mention it again, that's just the height at the heel, suji height shortens quite rapidly once it leaves the heel area so u could be looking at 40mm tall <3cm from heel already.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Cutuu » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:35 am

inzite wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:47 am
Robenco15 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:23 am
So I think the 270mm Mazaki Kasumi may be the knife. I don't want it too tall so I'm hoping JNS may have some in stock that are less than 43mm. I like the look, shape, steel, price, and everything else. A 300mm may be a size I could work with, but there was a chance that it could be too big for my work area. With a longer blade comes a taller blade and I really don't want anything too tall so that also makes me think 270mm may be better. Just hoping that a 40mm or even 38mm Mazaki Kasumi exists. My 210mm Gyuto is 43mm tall. Not sure I want that in a Sujihiki.
i think someone above mentioned already but i'll mention it again, that's just the height at the heel, suji height shortens quite rapidly once it leaves the heel area so u could be looking at 40mm tall <3cm from heel already.
Yup, although the toyama and mazaki may be taller than some at the heel, the taper makes a huge difference and it's still feels and performs like a suji, at least the toyama, I haven't tried the mazaki but I suspect it will have a similiar affect. Not that there's anything wrong with still wanting one even slimmer. I just like it because it makes it more versatile. I was very much of opinion of not wanting taller heel height on the suji, before I got the toyama. So I totally understand the concern.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Robenco15 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:15 am

JNS got back to me and he has an older model Mazaki that is 40mm so looks like that may be solved. Thank you for your insights guys!

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by inzite » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:01 am

Robenco15 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:15 am
JNS got back to me and he has an older model Mazaki that is 40mm so looks like that may be solved. Thank you for your insights guys!
just word of advice, older means thicker, first run of jns mazaki were thick - just ask for photo to avoid misbuys.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Robenco15 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:30 am

inzite wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:01 am
Robenco15 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:15 am
JNS got back to me and he has an older model Mazaki that is 40mm so looks like that may be solved. Thank you for your insights guys!
just word of advice, older means thicker, first run of jns mazaki were thick - just ask for photo to avoid misbuys.
Ok good to know. Thanks!

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Robenco15 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:06 pm

Things may have changed and I may be able to consider the Toyama now. Decisions, decisions...

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Robenco15 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:35 pm

Ok search is finished and knife is ordered.

Went with the 300mm Toyama Kasumi Sujihiki! Thanks to all involved in this process. Appreciate the insight and advice. Can’t wait for my sword to arrive.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by rayl1234 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:57 am

How about rage Gesshin Ginga in either w2 or stainless given you have a Gesshin Kagekiyo and a Konosuke HD2? I find the GG very similar to the HD2 line though I haven’t tried the Sujihiki in particular. This thread triggered the thought and it may go on my list to get next.

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Re: Need a 270mm Sujihiki

Post by Robenco15 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:01 am

I looked at it early on, but I didn’t want another laser. The Toyama I bought will be perfect for me.

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