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Mark,

I am shocked and moved by how cheap your KN95 is. My local Chinese grocery delivery app is selling 20 KN95 masks for $80. Even someone I know pretty well is selling a N95 for $3.5 within friends. They also sell 50 one-time surgical masks for $50. I’m not saying they did anything wrong, but seeing that you’ve made the efforts to import the masks and sell them at such a low price is heart warming.

Nonetheless, I still suggest you remove the word “N95” in the item page of that 3-ply surgical masks as it could be misleading and might be used by someone against you in the future.

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I wish I had them in hand. It’s frustrating that I don’t have them yet.

I’ll update that first one to just say surgical masks and then list the specs. Thanks.
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gladius wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:02 pm Interesting article...

https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/
That article is very conflicting. It's says these types of masks, both surgical and N95, aren't effective in protecting the general public against Covid-19 but then recommends them for caregivers and healthcare workers. If they can protect caregivers and healthcare workers then why not the public?
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Jeff B wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:52 pm That article is very conflicting. It's says these types of masks, both surgical and N95, aren't effective in protecting the general public against Covid-19 but then recommends them for caregivers and healthcare workers. If they can protect caregivers and healthcare workers then why not the public?
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The Surgeon General highlighting difference between public use versus healthcare providers.
Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Dr. Jerome Adams, the U.S. Surgeon General, on Feb. 29. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!

Time is simply quoting CDC...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... e-faq.html

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/Un ... ic-508.pdf
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gladius wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:21 pm
Jeff B wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:52 pm That article is very conflicting. It's says these types of masks, both surgical and N95, aren't effective in protecting the general public against Covid-19 but then recommends them for caregivers and healthcare workers. If they can protect caregivers and healthcare workers then why not the public?
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The Surgeon General highlighting difference between public use versus healthcare providers.
Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Dr. Jerome Adams, the U.S. Surgeon General, on Feb. 29. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!

Time is simply quoting CDC...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... e-faq.html

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/Un ... ic-508.pdf
Yeah but it also says...
The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face.
And then goes on tho say...
The agency also recommends these masks for caregivers of people infected with the virus.
If they won't stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles then why are they recommend for caregivers of people infected with the virus? How is this not a contradiction?
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Jeff B wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:47 am
Yeah but it also says...
The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face.
And then goes on tho say...
The agency also recommends these masks for caregivers of people infected with the virus.
If they won't stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles then why are they recommend for caregivers of people infected with the virus? How is this not a contradiction?
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Good question to pose here Jeff...

https://www.cdc.gov/cdc-info/ask-cdc.html
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I thought the same thing and posed myself this question.

Is it because ( in theory) the general population doesn’t or isn’t expected to be in such close proximity to others as opposed to health care workers that must get within hands length?

Ergo the health professionals need them more so the gen pop won’t hoard/buy up all the masks like tp?

Therefore urge/misguide the public into thinking they are not effective?
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If masks can protect healthcare providers from getting infected, I don’t know how it cannot protect a general person, although I totally agree that masks should be provided to those who need them more.
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Misinformation and fear....k, well with then. Just hope you don't get it!?

Seems like real respirators are the only good option. Thought this from the beginning. The filters last a long time, they're reusable, washable, effective, etc...
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For healthcare workers good masks are essential because they are dealing with a constant revolving door of new sick patients. For the rest of us they are a precaution... I think the best way to think about it is just one of us wearing a mask doesn’t necessarily prevent us from contracting or spreading the virus, but if a large portion of the population habitually wears them it does have a noticeable effect on spread. It’s no coincidence that the countries near China (and China itself) that have been least affected by COVID are countries that already wore or quickly adopted wearing masks.
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Of course there is no surefire way to guarantee that you won't contract the virus but I believe every little measure can reduce those chances some. I believe in the philosophy of "it might not be the best solution but it's better than nothing".

AND, I definitely have a problem with hoarders and think it is a very selfish act be it TP or masks.
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Hmmm, interesting that after the WH announced threats against hoarding and price gouging last week, suddenly millions of medical supplies were found in New York and California. In today’s briefing Trump said the number of masks reportedly used In NY don’t add up. It is sad to hear.

California Union Finds 39 Million N95 Masks After Barr Threatens Criminal Charges For Hoarders
https://explainlife.com/barr-threatens- ... -it-21009/
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gladius wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:09 pm Hmmm, interesting that after the WH announced threats against hoarding and price gouging last week, suddenly millions of medical supplies were found in New York and California. In today’s briefing Trump said the number of masks reportedly used In NY don’t add up. It is sad to hear.

California Union Finds 39 Million N95 Masks After Barr Threatens Criminal Charges For Hoarders
https://explainlife.com/barr-threatens- ... -it-21009/
It’s a shame it came to this, but I think if I were in their shoes I would do the same. The federal government should have been ordering the manufacture of and distributing all this PPE in January when we learned about the virus. And especially considering the WH has has been sending blue states much smaller shipments of these items than red ones, what do you expect? People are going to die because the federal government didn’t prepare in time even though it was clear how things were going to proceed.
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Exactly what I have been expressing.
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Im inclined to agree with Jeff's view on this. If we follow this a bit more you would have to say that a lesser mask is good enough - but is it? To follow that reasoning you would have to accept that a low level of exposure is OK. How low? We dont know. For some bacterial - not viral - infections a bacterial level is often critical. I believe it is 10^5 bacteria per unit of volume (cc, etc). But we don't know this. So I too prefer to be more careful and conservative like Jeff.
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https://www.o-wm.com/content/bacterial- ... -healing-0

Yup 10^5 bacteria per gram of tissue. Still hasnt changed.

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The first order of surgical masks arrived today. I'm going to give you guys first crack at them if you want them. https://www.chefknivestogo.com/facemask.html

The second order should be shipping this week so hopefully next week they'll arrive but it's been difficult getting stuff out of China.
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ChefKnivesToGo wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:18 am The first order of surgical masks arrived today. I'm going to give you guys first crack at them if you want them. https://www.chefknivestogo.com/facemask.html

The second order should be shipping this week so hopefully next week they'll arrive but it's been difficult getting stuff out of China.
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Is there a limit?
Do they ship free if total over $60?
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