Konosuke MM Info Please?

[salemj]

Is the Ginsan noticeably shorter (in height) or are the photos just misleading?

They have varied. The Ginsan are closer to 48mm x 230; the B2 started taller than this, but several more recent issues seem to now have the same pattern as the Ginsan (closer to 48mm), at least if the custom handle option pages are accurate.

[Marc4pt0]

My carbon clocked in at 49.5, on the ol calipers

[salemj]

My carbon clocked in at 49.5, on the ol calipers

Ah. Interesting. That is about the height of my carbon. So maybe they are still taller in general, although I also am confident that I've read 1-2 reports of recent carbon purchases where the buyer was a little annoyed that they were shorter. Perhaps it is something Mark needs to weigh in on.

[Bluenoser87]

I’m not at all annoyed about it, but my B2 is exactly 48mm

[salemj]

I’m not at all annoyed about it, but my B2 is exactly 48mm

There ya go. That is inline with the Ginsan. So I guess it is hard to know.

[Bluenoser87]

It could all just be normal variation of handmade knives, who knows. At any rate, my MM is at the same level of quality and performance as my recent Fuji. My Fuji is right on 50mm height but the 2mm difference sounds like more than it really is. Like Marc’s traces, my copies are pretty close.

I’m currently lusting after a Fuji 270, but i think that romance will end fast if 270 MMs ever show up.

Here are my traces and comparisons for reference if anyone’s interested.

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7432

[OgerBash]

I'll second the hope of a 270 MM. I'll be grabbing one as soon as they come in if Mark get them to make them.

[Bensbites]

Here's a drawing showing the outline of three very similar knives.

B2 Fujiyama
B1 Damascus Fujiyama
MM B2

All are 240's by title.

I think you'll be surprised how close these are

Are these forged, then the profile Die Cut? That’s how I would do it for reproducibility. I don’t know, I am just asking.

[Cutuu]

Here's a drawing showing the outline of three very similar knives.

B2 Fujiyama
B1 Damascus Fujiyama
MM B2

All are 240's by title.

I think you'll be surprised how close these are

How is the grind comparisons and especially the distal taper comparisons. The new fujis have a pretty thin tip, definitely whispy. I was curious about the mm tip and distal taper.

[Marc4pt0]

I'll take a pic, but I can say I did compare them. By eye they look identical. But by FEEL the MM is a touch thicker. So I just convexed behind the edge on the MM and it cuts beautifully. Just as good.

[bosco]

Ok folks l... I entered paralysis by analysis

Ginsan or b2 please please please help

[5698k]

I keep sayin B2.

[Marc4pt0]

B2 buddy. But I haven't used the ginsan.

[bosco]

Done deal. Mark will be shipping my Fuji and mm both in b2

[Marc4pt0]

Good choices!

[Cutuu]

Done deal. Mark will be shipping my Fuji and mm both in b2

I would of went ginsan, but I like variety. I'm sure it will be sweet. Like a double scoop of ice cream instead of one.

[Jeff B]

I'll take a pic, but I can say I did compare them. By eye they look identical. But by FEEL the MM is a touch thicker....

I have the MM pass around knife and a new Fuji B2 from the latest batch and I can say too that by the eye the profile of the two do look identical. The MM does look thicker at the spine and feels heavier/more stout just in hand. I weighed them though and the MM was only 6g heavier(181g vs 187g).
Just eying the grinds the MM looks thicker at the spine but thinner behind the edge than the Fuji.
At the end of the pass around I will post pictures and measurement of both these knives in comparison. It's hard to describe at this moment without actual hands on use but initial impressions, these two knives look very much the same yet definitely feel very different in hand. The grinds are different but I expect excellent performance from each.

[salemj]

I don’t have a new FM yet, but based on the old Fujiyamas, I feel like the MM has a higher thinner grind at the tip and more back weight above the heel. Both of these features make it feel a lot different than the more continuous shinogi line thickness that extends through the old Fujiyama. It also means the MM has better release on shallower things at the heel, and slightly worse release with wet ingredients closer to the tip. Those are just some current speculations. Honestly, I think these differences are probably WAY more subtle when compared to the new FM models.

[Bluenoser87]

I'll take a pic, but I can say I did compare them. By eye they look identical. But by FEEL the MM is a touch thicker....

I have the MM pass around knife and a new Fuji B2 from the latest batch and I can say too that by the eye the profile of the two do look identical. The MM does look thicker at the spine and feels heavier/more stout just in hand. I weighed them though and the MM was only 6g heavier(181g vs 187g).
Just eying the grinds the MM looks thicker at the spine but thinner behind the edge than the Fuji.
At the end of the pass around I will post pictures and measurement of both these knives in comparison. It's hard to describe at this moment without actual hands on use but initial impressions, these two knives look very much the same yet definitely feel very different in hand. The grinds are different but I expect excellent performance from each.

That matches my impression of these two knives. Very very similar. For me a big part of the difference in feel is the choil and neck area. Other than that I don’t notice much difference between the two.

[faverodefavero]

So Konosuke has a new blacksmith besides Tanaka (father and son) doing traditional SanMae (as in iron cladded and carbon steel core, water quenched) now? That's nice...