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Water on stones

Post by Jaxson » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:26 pm

Does the type of water used on stones make a difference? In other words does it make a difference in performance such as mud formation if city water containing chlorine and fluorine, well water containing minerals or distilled water make a difference in the cutting ability or feedback of synthetic or natural stones?

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Re: Water on stones

Post by old onion » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:12 pm

Where is Kit when you need him ?

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Jeff B » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:19 pm

Jaxson wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:26 pm
Does the type of water used on stones make a difference? In other words does it make a difference in performance such as mud formation if city water containing chlorine and fluorine, well water containing minerals or distilled water make a difference in the cutting ability or feedback of synthetic or natural stones?
No, the water you use is not going to make any difference in performance of the stone.
old onion wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:12 pm
Where is Kit when you need him ?
Why, you feel a good laugh coming on? :D
If God wanted me to be a vegetarian he wouldn't have made animals taste so good.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by old onion » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:22 pm

Jeff B wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:19 pm
Jaxson wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:26 pm
Does the type of water used on stones make a difference? In other words does it make a difference in performance such as mud formation if city water containing chlorine and fluorine, well water containing minerals or distilled water make a difference in the cutting ability or feedback of synthetic or natural stones?
No, the water you use is not going to make any difference in performance of the stone.
old onion wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:12 pm
Where is Kit when you need him ?
Why, you feel a good laugh coming on? :D
Yep,you read my mind. :mrgreen:

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Re: Water on stones

Post by ken123 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:31 am

Practically, no signifant difference, but theoretically deionized water will minimize particle agglomeration, especially for finer particle sizes, This reduction in agglomeration is due to minimizatiin of electrostatic forces.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by old onion » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:42 am

ken123 wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:31 am
Practically, no signifant difference, but theoretically deionized water will minimize particle agglomeration, especially for finer particle sizes, This reduction in agglomeration is due to minimizatiin of electrostatic forces.

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And so ,does this same process happen with cold water vs. warm water ,Ken?.. :lol:

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Kit Craft » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:11 am

I don't know, I have a well so that is what I use. Never gave it much thought honestly.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by old onion » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:36 am

Yep,I have a well also and it is run through a water softener.That is what I use.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Kit Craft » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:40 am

old onion wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:36 am
Yep,I have a well also and it is run through a water softener.That is what I use.
Problem with my water is calcification. I have to frequently descale my espresso maker, super frequently. But I have noticed no adverse effects on stones...They again, they are frangible and sort of renew themselves as you go. No worries about sides and bottoms getting build up of any kind because I lacquer them. Well, I use shellac (w/e).

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Bensbites » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:52 am

Kit Craft wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:40 am
old onion wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:36 am
Yep,I have a well also and it is run through a water softener.That is what I use.
Problem with my water is calcification. I have to frequently descale my espresso maker, super frequently. But I have noticed no adverse effects on stones...They again, they are frangible and sort of renew themselves as you go. No worries about sides and bottoms getting build up of any kind because I lacquer them. Well, I use shellac (w/e).

What grit are the calcium crystals?

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Kit Craft » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:07 am

Bensbites wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:52 am



What grit are the calcium crystals?
Eleventy four.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by old onion » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:08 am

Bensbites wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:52 am
Kit Craft wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:40 am
old onion wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:36 am
Yep,I have a well also and it is run through a water softener.That is what I use.
Problem with my water is calcification. I have to frequently descale my espresso maker, super frequently. But I have noticed no adverse effects on stones...They again, they are frangible and sort of renew themselves as you go. No worries about sides and bottoms getting build up of any kind because I lacquer them. Well, I use shellac (w/e).

What grit are the calcium crystals?
lol,oh boy,here we go.. :mrgreen: ...good one!

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Re: Water on stones

Post by datster » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:08 am

old onion wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:08 am
Bensbites wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:52 am
Kit Craft wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:40 am


Problem with my water is calcification. I have to frequently descale my espresso maker, super frequently. But I have noticed no adverse effects on stones...They again, they are frangible and sort of renew themselves as you go. No worries about sides and bottoms getting build up of any kind because I lacquer them. Well, I use shellac (w/e).

What grit are the calcium crystals?
lol,oh boy,here we go.. :mrgreen: ...good one!
Yeah, I don't even use stones to finish anymore, just stand at the sink and shake the blade in a sink full of well water. THose eleventy four grit crystals leave just the right amount of tooth for veggie skins. ;) ;)

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Kit Craft » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:16 am

Idk about that but calcification is quite hard. You might be able to use a large enough buildup to cut your food...I once had to clean a tank that had not seen a cleaning in years and the calcium was like plates. Sharp when it broke off too.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Kalaeb » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:04 am

I don't know, but would like to try that green water I see all the Japanese sharpeners using.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Lepus » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:23 am

I use standard tap water. It's just for lubrication and to allow mud formation. I've never seen build up or the like, even on a permanently soaked stone. Constantly shaving off the top of the stone with every stroke will do that.
Kalaeb wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:04 am
I don't know, but would like to try that green water I see all the Japanese sharpeners using.
Maybe it has electrolytes.


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Re: Water on stones

Post by ken123 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:48 am

Just to clarify, deionized water is not distilled or well water, so calcification is not relevant. No calcium ions :)
I also don't recommend drinking it as this is a strong ionic gradient.
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Re: Water on stones

Post by Kit Craft » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:01 pm

ken123 wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:48 am
Just to clarify, deionized water is not distilled or well water, so calcification is not relevant. No calcium ions :)
I also don't recommend drinking it as this is a strong ionic gradient.
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I use well water so for me it is relevant. :lol: I guess that means all of the ions are still in my water but I could have sworn they were on my TV...wait.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by ken123 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:33 pm

The topic has drifted from deionized to other forms of water, so i thought the distinction was relevant to avoid the confusion in the overall discussion What you or anyone else uses is fine with me :)

Some natural stones show a pattern that looks like the dried rings of water with ions. It is calked a kan pattern ( not Ken). Some sharpeners prefer Kyoto tap water for making rice, dashi, etc.

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Re: Water on stones

Post by Kit Craft » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:43 pm

Lol...the things we talk about.

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