Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
Hi all - I purchased a hairline for a practice knife. First time working it on the stones this morning. I dulled the edge on the side of the stone then started with the SP320, SP2K and finished on the Rika 5K. Then a strop of leather.
I quickly produced a burr on the 320 on both sides. Just a few passes on each side produced a nice burr.
So the question is - what did I do wrong that I had a difficult time removing the burr using lighter pressure on the 320?
I was able to get most of the burr off - but it felt like a little bit of burr was remaining. The knife was pretty sharp at this point - as I could push/pull cut paper.
Since I was having issues with the burr I moved to the SP2k - which allowed me to remove the remaining part of the burr resulting in a clean edge. Then I finished with a few passes on the Rika 5K.
End result was a pretty sharp knife for a beginner - but I wonder if the edge is really solid or if I need to refine my skills more on the 320. Or maybe I shouldn't have used the 320 at all and just worked on the 2k.
Thanks!
I quickly produced a burr on the 320 on both sides. Just a few passes on each side produced a nice burr.
So the question is - what did I do wrong that I had a difficult time removing the burr using lighter pressure on the 320?
I was able to get most of the burr off - but it felt like a little bit of burr was remaining. The knife was pretty sharp at this point - as I could push/pull cut paper.
Since I was having issues with the burr I moved to the SP2k - which allowed me to remove the remaining part of the burr resulting in a clean edge. Then I finished with a few passes on the Rika 5K.
End result was a pretty sharp knife for a beginner - but I wonder if the edge is really solid or if I need to refine my skills more on the 320. Or maybe I shouldn't have used the 320 at all and just worked on the 2k.
Thanks!
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Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
Even on simple white number two removing a burr at such a low grit is not easy. Once you have the edge prepared you might be raising a micro burr on a single pass. Honestly, for now I would do the best you can and clean it up on the next stone.
You really won't need the 320 for most sharpening sessions on a knife that is well cared for.
You really won't need the 320 for most sharpening sessions on a knife that is well cared for.
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Thanks Kit! I plan to do another session this afternoon. You recommend that I just start on the 2k after dulling the knife on the edge of the stone?
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Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
You could but it will take longer. Do you not have a 500-1500 grit stone? If not then maybe dust a few light strokes on the 320 until you get the smallest of burr and move on to the 2k.
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Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
Okay, in that case you can try to raise a burr with the 2k or you can do what I said with the 320. It really is up to you. You can try it both ways and see which works better for you.
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No problem. You know, while not 100% needed you could consider picking up a 1k stone in the future, they are versatile. I know I have said before that the SP2k is my do all 'island' stone but we don't have to limit ourselves that way. And an SP1k is cheap.
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I hear ya. I picked up the 2k because of your advice.
I've read many people don't like the SP1k. I was going to start doing research on the best 1k option - but the SP splash and go really appeals to me. Otherwise, something with a short soak would work to like the Rika.
I've read many people don't like the SP1k. I was going to start doing research on the best 1k option - but the SP splash and go really appeals to me. Otherwise, something with a short soak would work to like the Rika.
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Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
I think what some people don't like about the 1k is that it is a rough and gritty stone. It acts much more like a 800 grit stone than it does a 1k. That said, I have had a lot of 1k stones that seem more like a 1200-1500 too and I think that might influence some people. But the 1k is wicked fast for what it is and has fair-good feedback and all at a good price.Naples09 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:13 am I hear ya. I picked up the 2k because of your advice.
I've read many people don't like the SP1k. I was going to start doing research on the best 1k option - but the SP splash and go really appeals to me. Otherwise, something with a short soak would work to like the Rika.
You have a lot of options for good 1k (ish) stones out there. Cerax 1k, Chosera 800 (I don't love the 1k, more like a 1200), King hyper 1000 (hard) and many more. Still think bang for buck is the SP1k though.
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Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
Keep reducing pressure and make every pass count until you are barely even touching the stone at all. With time, you’ll find yourself raising smaller and smaller burrs that get easier and easier to remove. It’s much easier said than done, but keep at it, as your skills improve the ability to detect smaller burrs will improve.
Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
Thanks. I was basically stroping at the end on the 320 but could still feel a little burr. Maybe I was using too much pressure. Didn’t think I was was but really still unsure.
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From what I can gather it sounds like you’re doing just fine. There is another way to look at this. Most people new to sharpening experience difficulty detecting a burr. So that the fact that you know a burr still remains on the 320 is impressive. As mentioned, it takes some time to be able to work at various pressure levels.
You’re doing just fine.
You’re doing just fine.
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Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
I think you just need to work work on your pressure control on the 320. Raising a smaller burr and then removal. I find using alternating edge leading strokes with very little pressure removes the burr very well.
A Naniwa Pro 800 would be a good stone between your SP320 and 2k, it's splash and go too. It's a good stone to start with too when your not in need to go as low as your 320.
A Naniwa Pro 800 would be a good stone between your SP320 and 2k, it's splash and go too. It's a good stone to start with too when your not in need to go as low as your 320.
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Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
Hi Peter! Thank you - I've watched your videos a few times! They have been very helpful.Peter Nowlan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:21 pm From what I can gather it sounds like you’re doing just fine. There is another way to look at this. Most people new to sharpening experience difficulty detecting a burr. So that the fact that you know a burr still remains on the 320 is impressive. As mentioned, it takes some time to be able to work at various pressure levels.
You’re doing just fine.
I just assume the burr remained as the edge was not smooth - and it definitely would switch sides as I continued to sharpen. Maybe it was a wire edge? Don't really know - but still trying and learning as I go!
Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
Jeff B wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:46 pm I think you just need to work work on your pressure control on the 320. Raising a smaller burr and then removal. I find using alternating edge leading strokes with very little pressure removes the burr very well.
A Naniwa Pro 800 would be a good stone between your SP320 and 2k, it's splash and go too. It's a good stone to start with too when your not in need to go as low as your 320.
Hi Jeff - thanks for the recommendation on the Naniwa. I will take a look at that stone.
And I agree - I need to work on my pressure while sharpening. That seems to be the hardest part so far. I found holding the angle difficult too - but if I go slow enough I think I'm able to hold the angle pretty close.
At the end of the day - I'm able to get the knife plenty sharp for home use. But I'm still trying to learn and get better like you guys.
Re: Tojiro Hairline White #2 - Removing the burr
So went back for a 2nd round but started on the SP 2k. Still generated a burr but it took longer and needed more pressure. However, the burr felt smaller than the one created on the 320. Resulting in a much easier time removing it and getting a cleaner edge. Still used the Rika 5k to refine the edge and a light strop on leather.
The knife was sharp but still not has sharp as the out of the box edge. I think maybe my angles were off during the 2nd round of sharpening or I didn't keep a good angle on the strop.
Anyway - just wanted to provide another update
Thanks for all the help guys! I appreciate having somewhere to go to get input on what I'm doing right or wrong.
The knife was sharp but still not has sharp as the out of the box edge. I think maybe my angles were off during the 2nd round of sharpening or I didn't keep a good angle on the strop.
Anyway - just wanted to provide another update
Thanks for all the help guys! I appreciate having somewhere to go to get input on what I'm doing right or wrong.
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Sounds like your doing fine to me. Just takes practice to develop muscle memory and figure out pressure control.
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Yeah, I agree. I think he is doing better than I did when I started! Took me a few dozen tries before I even said THAT is a a burr! Let alone trying to remove it. Better edges come with time.