Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

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Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by ashy2classy » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:49 pm

I feel like there should be a sticky thread dedicated for this subject. Maybe there is and I missed it. *SHRUG*

Anyway, picked up a ginsan knife that was supposed to be made by Suogo Yamatsuka, but the sharpener was unknown. Can someone help with the Kanji for a little more information (and to tell me if this was a waste of $$ :) )?

TIA!

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by DanielB » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:52 pm

I'm not sure how helpful this will be, but the kanji on the knife read kankaishū in the standard pronunciation. Place names are notoriously varied, so the original could be different than this. The name would mean something like "ship surrounded by the sea." The final character, saku 作, means "made by."

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by Brontes » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:52 pm

Ashy-here is a photo of my Ginsans by Suogo Yamatsuka not sure if the sharpener is the same on these two knives.

https://i.imgur.com/IWRnpWr.jpg

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by Omega » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:47 pm

Unfortunately brand names don't always help determine the identity of the craftsmen.

For example, Shigehiro knives- forged by Yoshikazu Ikeda, and sharpened by Shigehiro Kasahara. But that exact same pairing is actually sold under a couple different brand names, that have nothing to do with either craftsmen, and can even affect the makers mark put on the tang.

Sometimes brand names are formed by the craftsmen; sometimes they are formed by the Wholesaler, and therefore can't be used by others, despite the knife being effectively identical.

Best of luck in discovering the sharpener on this, though! Yamatsuka is a really excellent blacksmith, so I would imagine the sharpener is no slouch, no matter who it is.

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by salemj » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:01 am

Tongue-in-cheek: once you use the knife you'll know whether it was a waste of money or not. And heck, its ginsan, so you can use it without any worries of harming the finish!!

Good luck with the investigation! It is amazing to me how much more helpful people are on this front than even just 2 years ago. Lots of studying going on...
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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by ashy2classy » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:06 am

Thanks for the help, everyone. Here are photos of the entire knife. Typical Sakai profile and dimensions. Hefty blade coming in at 7.34 oz with a spine thickness around 3.75mm at the handle and 3.6mm at the heel. Was told it was made by Yamatsuka for a house brand Sakai Kaisen.

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by Omega » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:27 pm

Sakai Kaisen...
Did you buy this off eBay?

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by ashy2classy » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:34 pm

Omega wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:27 pm
Sakai Kaisen...
Did you buy this off eBay?
Yep...the reason I was concerned. I had a bunch of eBay bucks so I used them to get this for not much out of pocket.

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by Omega » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:25 am

I am FAIRLY positive the sharpener is a dento kougeishi.

I have a honyaki by him, and it is very, very good. Definitely not a slouch of a knife.

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by ButlerHoosierChef » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:00 am

Serious I think we need to make a list of every Blacksmith and sharpener and start playing guessing games on the knives. Cause normally a lot of their work seems like a calling card!

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Re: Kanji Help - Ginsan by Yamatsuka?

Post by ashy2classy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:07 pm

Got an update from the seller. Here are the details...

Smith: Suogo Yamatsuka
Sharpener: Shunichi Tahara

http://tahara-knife.jp/en/factory-en/

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