First 3 stones?

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trojanrx
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First 3 stones?

Post by trojanrx » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:47 pm

Hi everyone,

I’ve been lurking the forums and reading reviews and wanted to see if this list would be OK to start with. I’m hoping to keep this starting budget relatively low, and I would get the Cerax combos but most of them seem to be out of stock.

I need to be able to sharpen:
1) A set of Wusthof classic knives (8” chef knife, 6” santoku, etc.)
2) A Dexter carbon steel Chinese cleaver
3) The Kohetsu HAP40 nakiri

with:
1) Naniwa Chosera 400
2) Kohetsu 2000
3) Imanishi 1k/6k combo

Thanks!

PappaG
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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by PappaG » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:45 pm

Great starter set. i think you could skip #3 until you get a hang of things and get use to sharpening.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by dc2123 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:03 pm

I am also new to sharpening and curious why pappaG said "skip #3 until you get a hang of things and get use to sharpening"

Any reason why those grits are unsuitable for someone getting used to sharpening..

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by PappaG » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:27 pm

Nothing at all wrong with that line up. My suggestion is based mostly because the budget is limited. I would start with two stones, get some practice under your belt and then expand. also i think the 1000 and 2000 are arguably redundant for a brand new beginner sharpener.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by dc2123 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:40 am

ok thank you PappaG. What two stones would you suggest for a beginner? Grit and brand. I have mainly White and Blue #2 knives with a few stainless steel.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by PappaG » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:01 am

Really depends. If on a strict budget, I'd get a King 300 and 1200. Get proficient on those and then get a Rika 5000.
Right now I'm really enjoying my Chosera 800. Its a great all around stone for beginner and experienced alike, followed by the Rika 5000.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by dc2123 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:02 am

I have a 140 grit diamond plate. That is used to form a slurry on the higher grit stones correct?

And could the 800 be smart to use on a brand new knife or should you use 1000 and higher

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by PappaG » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:20 am

You could, but I don't know that a slurry is necessary (depends on the stone). Its not necessary on the Cho 800 or the king 1200.
From everything I have read and from my experience the 800 "acts" more like a 1000 or higher grit stone.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by dc2123 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:22 am

Where can you purchase the king 300/1200 stone?

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by Seattle_Ben » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:37 pm

Buy a flattening plate too. CKTG has one on the cheap that I've been quite happy with and there are more in the world that cost a lot more. But failing to have a flat stone with crisscrossed sharpening patterns will yield sub par results.

What's going to happen here and already is is that we've all got an opinion and since this is such a tactile process that opinion informs any suggestion.

A flattening plate, a coarse stone 300-1kish, and a mid grit stone 1kish-4kish?, and a finishing stone 4+k are what you'll probably want. The three you've listed will work quite well though as stated above the 1/6k provides an awful lot of overlap.

If I had it to do over again I'd buy a lapping plate and a coarse and medium grit stone that were relatively close together in grit. I would get one that was harder than the other and I'd get one soaker while the other would be splash and go, this gets you a quick and sort of fast comparison of what's available.

Now you've got another person's ideas of what to buy!

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by Jeff B » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:19 pm

Naniwa Pro 400, Shapton Pro 2000 and a flattening plate. Get good with those and then add a 4-8k of your choosing later. A proper Shapton Pro 2k edge will probably be sharper than any edge you've experienced.
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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by lsboogy » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:17 pm

I learned to sharpen on Arkansas stones when I was young, but about 30 years ago I got a Kikuichi 1K stone and a Kitayama 8K and that's really all I used until a few years ago. I still use a 1K (red brick) or Nubatama 1200 (thanks Ken - better than my old 1K stone and that's saying a lot) - I lost my old Kikuichi to a cat disaster - and then follow with a 2K green brick and a 6 or 8K stone. A higher grit stone just takes longer. I bought a 320 grit "Basement stone" from Mark last fall, and I have only had to take it to a few knives (all belonging to relatives).
I think if you learn to use a 1K stone well you will be well on your way. It's my choice for a basic stone and if you can't get a good edge there, practice until you can. A good 1K edge is as sharp as any box store knife (Shun, Global, Dalstrong etc) that I've ever tried. A 6-8K edge will do anything well, and a strop keeps it good for a long time. Learn with what you have, and when you are satisfied and can cut anything easily, try some other stones

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by Ut_ron » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:44 pm

Jeff B wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:19 pm
Naniwa Pro 400, Shapton Pro 2000 and a flattening plate. Get good with those and then add a 4-8k of your choosing later. A proper Shapton Pro 2k edge will probably be sharper than any edge you've experienced.
Great advice. Shapton Pro 2000 is a gem.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by MikeT » Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:16 am

I bought a Shapton Glass 220 and Naniwa Pro 1000 to start, and followed up with Rika 5000.

I bought a Tojiro white number 2 nakiri, followed up with Gihei hap 40 gyuto. I owned some old Heckles and lesser knives knives. I have sharpened some decent several Germans and lesser for family.

Some kinda courser stone is definitely needed for setting bevels or re profiling. All my older knives needed new bevels. Most of my family's knives need it as well. The glass 220 did ok, but not what I will buy next time. It is too thin for a course stone. Really, that is my only problem with it.

The Naniwa is my main stone for making things sharp that do not need a new bevel. It can get my family's Heckles to push cutting newspaper. Good enough for as long as that edge on that steel will last.

Well-ground white 2 or hap 40 needs something finer than 1000 to reach its potential, or at least to make me happy. The Rika 5000 does that well.

The glass 220 will be replaced, perhaps by pink brick. The other two are probably lifetime stones for me.

It will be very hard to pick any course, medium and fine-ish stones from CKTG that will disappoint. But, I think, you do need three grits.

Newspaper wrapped around a stone can be a poor man's strop. (dry the stone off first)

As others have said, flattening is necessary.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by trojanrx » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:07 am

Thanks for the feedback =). I am going with the naniwa 400, kohetsu 2000 (other feedback on old posts suggest this is another great stone and a bit softer than the shapton... I think I might personally prefer a softer stone), and dropping the 1k/6k combo for a 140 flattener. I will probably add the Rika 5k later on once I get some experience.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by gladius » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:05 pm

trojanrx wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:07 am
Thanks for the feedback =). I am going with the naniwa 400, kohetsu 2000 (other feedback on old posts suggest this is another great stone and a bit softer than the shapton... I think I might personally prefer a softer stone), and dropping the 1k/6k combo for a 140 flattener. I will probably add the Rika 5k later on once I get some experience.
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Good choice, nice combo, I’ve used it many times but more often use the Kohetsu 800 than 400: it is a very strong cutter.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by trojanrx » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:35 pm

The 800 is out of stock 😭

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by gladius » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:55 pm

trojanrx wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:35 pm
The 800 is out of stock 😭
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Worth waiting for restocking or consider the JNS 800, a really great stone.

http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/jn ... ukusuyama/

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by M1k3- » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:25 am

King 300, Shapton Glass 500 (double thickness if you can swing it) or Naniwa 400, Shapton Pro 2k... beyond that is highly debatable. Rika, Shapton, Naniwa, Jnat, etc.

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Re: First 3 stones?

Post by SanDiego » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:36 pm

For your mix of German stainless, carbon and semi-stainless HAP40 - I would get a pair of Shapton Glass stones in 500 & 2K. I would not mix splash & go stones with soakers as my first choice.

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