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I have been into knives and scissors since I was a kid in the seventies but I had no idea what scissors I had until I rounded them all up recently.It`s a 50 year collection.

My recent acquisitions are the 20 inch long - 12 inch blade - 3 lb monster scissors, two good quality carbon steel models and some smaller ones.I had a bit of a collection before but now I have some more scissors on order - so I have one for a few different jobs - haha!

I have tin snips, hairdressing scissors, kitchen ones, ceremonial ones, tailor ones, pinking shears, surgical scissors, aramid/kevlar , optic fibre cutting shears, floristry scissors - allsorts.

Is there anybody else here that likes scissors ? - they are so useful - I use the bright yellow handle carbon steel ones every day.

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Pinking shears are what you threaten to use to cut childerns hair if they are misbehaving. :lol:

Which ones are the fiber optic cutters, Roaduck?
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Haha - the tiny yellow ones below the orange ones in the top right of the piccy have ceramic blades for optic fibre and kevlar - they`re teeny but tough.The chunky orange-handled ones go through 1.5 mm thick steel plate so aramid and optic fibre shouldn`t faze them although I`ve not tried `em in that way yet.The 20 inch - 3 lb scissors are hard carbon steel ( 61 HRC ) and sharp with 10mm thick blades which is well over a 1/3 rd of an inch so there`s not much they can`t chop I imagine.
I have some handmade British cold-forged carbon steel industrial hedge trimming shears in the shed that were well over $500.00 and they go through live growing inch thick oak branches easy peasy so carbon fibre shouldn`t bother them either.They are heavy though and need wiping and oiling every time I use them to stop rust.
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Wow, that's a lot of scissors! I'm not sure I've ever run into anyone who collects them. I like scissors as far as a tool that I need, but they don't sing to me like knives do. I should try sharpening some of the scissors laying around my house sometime. Maybe I'll start with the dull scissors I cut my own hair with recently, they were pretty bad, but since it was my first time attempting the awkward task of a self haircut, maybe it was good they weren't too sharp or else my fingers might have gotten it pretty good! :lol:
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Well Kekoa I`ve been doing DIY, mechanics, electronics, gardening,minor surgery on people and pets, cooking, sewing, welding plus other hobbies to learn and save money or part of my job for decades and I`ve just sort of accrued them all haha!

Scissors are pretty easy to sharpen - you can do it with a cold steel file or on a whetstone or what I do is a few strokes with a 6" x 2" diamond file flat on the bevel of the blade.It`s much faster than doing a knife but you can`t overdo it or change the angle of the blade - just literally 2-3 firm but accurate strokes is all that`s needed usually.
If the scissors are chipped they`ll need regrinding on a tormek or or a bench grinder or a ken onion thing haha!
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Yeah, I really enjoy sharpening scissors. Same basic ideas & concepts, but with a few twists eg you absolutely have to get any burrs dealt to, plus the blades can be curved as well in anything from one to three dimensions :o :o :o My wife is fully trained in women's fashion from designing to pattern making. cutting, machining finishing etc and has a collection of big & impressive tailoring shears. Similarly for our (now deceased :( ) neighbour, but in mostly men's tailoring plus he taught at the local technical institute. Again a collection of really cool tailoring shears. Their shears are as precious to them as out most prized knives are to us.

The most challenging to sharpen though were Japanese hairdressing scissors, the best of which are curved in three dimension plus they have convexed edge grinds. Only tried to rescue a pair of these that a friend had spent years saving for and "Mr Van Man sharpener" destroyed in one short session. Despite my efforts they couldn't be resurrected. While they could cut, they were only a shadow of their former selves.

As with knives I sharpen scissors both freehand and on the EdgePro. I use the EP mainly for the high end stuff ~ tailoring & hairdressing shears, because it comes with a specific attachment for scissors, which I have to say is a thing of beauty and just the bizzo .........
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Well radar I`d have a job doing expensive curved Japanese hairdressing scissors - well done mate!

I can sharpen drill bits with an old Makita 4 inch angle grinder, I can sharpen fishing hooks, axes, scythes,hand hedge-trimming shears, billhooks, lawnmower blades, serrated blades, chainsaw blades, gear cogs and sprockets - a few things but I`d struggle with Japanese curved scissors.
I have sharpened quality expensive carbon steel Japanese hairdressing scissors - but only straight-bladed ones up to now!
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Hi roaduck, it sounds that you, as for me, just like to sharpen weird & wonderful things. Recently my wife asked me to sharpen the really small blade in her pencil sharpener and I enjoyed that challenge haha. While I couldn't recover the hairdressing shears because they were too damaged, I'd really like the have a go at a good pair that just need a touch-up. I think that using the EdgePro, I might have a chance maybe ....

Props for doing the drill bits as that's one sharpening task that for some reason just eludes me
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For sharpening knives and other sharp objects I most use cheapy stones and budget diamond ones but I have a couple of fixed angle rigs and Catrahone electric diamond sharpener for times when I`m rushed or need to get a blade exact for some chef that likes lasers lol.

I learn`t to sharpen on rocks by the sea or in the countryside and when I was a poor student I just used walls, bricks, rocks, sidewalks, old cold steel engineers files or anything rough to sharpen things.
If you have nothing proper at hand - you just have to learn and improvise - I`ve been sharpening since 1972.

Eventually I want a cheapie Chinese Ken Onion clone and a second-hand Tomek T-4 or T-8 - that`d save a ton of time because loads of chefy mates from Manchester`s World famous Curry Mile come to me with their shuns and globals with no tips and quarter inch chips in them to sort out - I don`t mind because I get free dinners, lunches or breakfasts hehe!

Here`s my cheap sharpening junk - nothing fancy haha!

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One new thing that I love is an Atoma 140 diamond stone - wow it is brilliant _ I should have got one years ago.I want the other 400, 600 and 1200 grits in the Atoma range so I have a set eventually but I can`t afford them at the moment.

Next week 13 pairs of inexpensive but good quality scissors are coming from China - no more space for knives but they should fit in my tiny kitch if I improvise a bit.

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These are the new ones.
The heavy forged ones on the dark American walnut board are all excellent - razor sharp to the tip.All the ones with black handles are carbon not stainless.The two pairs of 20 inch shears weigh 3 lb each with 12 inch blades and they are really sharp - good for wall-papering / decorating, tailoring and cutting ribbons for ceremonies / opening businesses etc.
The ones on the top left are forged stainless hairdressing, dog grooming and surgical scissors plus carbon tinsnips for heavy duty stuff.
The brown handled ones at the bottom right are high quality Japanese leather scissors which are as good as Kai midrange models.
The yellow handled / grey bladed ones at the bottom left are teflon coated.
The short blades custard yellow ones are for kevlar / aramid / carbon fibre / fibreglass are on the bottom left and made in Sheffield England.
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Knives, swords and scissors have been made in Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England continuously for a long time and iron swords made there since at least AD124; that`s 1899 years ago and before that Bronze Age swords from 1200 BC.
The multi purpose serrated ones with the grey/black handles on the bottom right come apart with no tools and can be used as a knife etc.
The two big bright yellow handled ones at the bottom are carbon floristry scissors and are good for most jobs plus they sharpen really fast and easily.


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no Olfa?
My fav scissors in the kitchen are Olfas with the yellow handles. Two model SCS-2. One is over 20 years old, and I found out that they aren’t dishwasher-safe when the handles sort of crumbled into a dozen pieces. A sticky morning assembling a 3-D puzzle using epoxy, and they’re back in service! Strictly hand-washed now. They have not yet required a sharpening; good stainless steel and a great factory grind.

A second pair SCS-2 in new condition because I moved away from the store that carried them, and I liked the 1st pair so much that I never wanted to be without.

One pair smaller SCS-3 that do delicate pruning duty on soft houseplants.

I have a coupla pairs nice laminated Japanese scissors that are recumbent in greasy splendor while the Olfas work for a living.

I must have lost them in the last move, but I had a proper English hand-forged set of sheep shears. They were sold out of a pricy gardening boutique for trimming grass. They worked ok for that.
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Lots of nice fabric shears in your collection.
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Thanks Mark - I only sew if I really have to - it`s not my forte...however...
My Japanesey knife loving ladyfriend loves making dresses, curtains, patchwork quilts, embroidered scarves, knitted hats, mitts and socks etc, doing alterations and invisible mending - she is exceedingly talented and she can sketch and paint too - I`m nowhere near as good at art.
Even my knives from decades ago were utilitarian looking; made as a part-time hobby when I was a salesman in China.

So she needs big tailors scissors, leather scissors and pinking shears and thread snips for re-upholstering leather settees etc - she`s wasted at her current job - she could do really well converting her hobbies into a second or parallel career - she has the time and options - unlike myself - that ship has definitely sailed years ago.

Oh yeah Olfa make a fabric cutter thingie with a round wheel blade like a mini pizza cutter - she has one but she prefers scissors - old-fashioned - like me using DE safety razors and cut-throats when I have the time to shave properly - like for a family do - haha.
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roaduck wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 10:19 pm Thanks Mark - I only sew if I really have to - it`s not my forte...however...
My Japanesey knife loving ladyfriend loves making dresses, curtains, patchwork quilts, embroidered scarves, knitted hats, mitts and socks etc, doing alterations and invisible mending - she is exceedingly talented and she can sketch and paint too - I`m nowhere near as good at art.
Even my knives from decades ago were utilitarian looking; made as a part-time hobby when I was a salesman in China.

So she needs big tailors scissors, leather scissors and pinking shears and thread snips for re-upholstering leather settees etc - she`s wasted at her current job - she could do really well converting her hobbies into a second or parallel career - she has the time and options - unlike myself - that ship has definitely sailed years ago.

Oh yeah Olfa make a fabric cutter thingie with a round wheel blade like a mini pizza cutter - she has one but she prefers scissors - old-fashioned - like me using DE safety razors and cut-throats when I have the time to shave properly - like for a family do - haha.
After a brief mental inventory, I am a bit surprised to realize that “maps printed on paper” (which I take to like a seal to surf) are now an atavism.
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Yep indeed aporigine definitely - if the SHTF we might have to rediscover the old ways of doing things - just to survive.
I`ve always been taught to have a few strings to my bow for flexibility and versatility in the present and future.
I can do a handful of things proficiently but not amazingly - such as forging knives, mig welding, writing, mending old stereos, fixing `puters, busking and occasionally gigging with my old tenor sax etc.
But I am good at herbalism ( got degree from Exeter, Devon ) and cooking - they`re my favourite pastimes now because I love them the most.
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roaduck wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:18 am Yep indeed aporigine definitely - if the SHTF we might have to rediscover the old ways of doing things - just to survive.
I`ve always been taught to have a few strings to my bow for flexibility and versatility in the present and future.
I can do a handful of things proficiently but not amazingly - such as forging knives, mig welding, writing, mending old stereos, fixing `puters, busking and occasionally gigging with my old tenor sax etc.
But I am good at herbalism ( got degree from Exeter, Devon ) and cooking - they`re my favourite pastimes now because I love them the most.
Speaking of old stereos, I have a dCS transport with a bad, uhm, transport. It is one hell of a doorstop and flat reference plate. Nobody will repair it; apparently the bit from Sony is from the Sonyzoic and not to be had.

Gonna go back to my Michell turntable and groove on vibes by dragging a rock through a gutter. I have a large but checkered collection of the black plastic.
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Oh lovely the DCS CD and the Michell turntable are mega - I`ve just got an old British Sugden CD21 CD player and a Linn Axis turntable plus Technics RS-AZ7 3-head cassette, Sony WMD-6C Pro Walkman, Sony TC-161S cassette and Akai 4000 Reel to Reel but I don`t play them much nowadays because I have loads of offline servers and a Shanling 32/384 DAC (that can upconvert and downconvert) going into 2 stereos simultaneously via AES BUS, XLR and fibre optical TOSLINK cables.
Over 25 years I`ve collected about 3.5 million albums on 150 TB of RAID and Linux Redhat storage.
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Sheffield made Whiteley 1920NP-12 Industrial Scissors

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A nice lady rung me up on Monday morning from an industrial sewing machine supply company in Leicester, England.

I was asked if I still wanted some William Whiteley 1920NP-12 side-bent shears that were out of stock in mid August; of course I said yes and carded it over the phone.

All I can say is "WoW" - the quality is extraordinary and I`ve seen and owned really good American Wiss and Japanese Kai and artisan German models that were not cheap.

The quality is as good or better than artisan Japanese scissors in my 40+ year experience of buying, using and hand forging Asian-style knives here in NW England and in the Far East.

They are much better than any domestic scissors I`ve ever owned.They weigh 754 grams which is about a pound and a half but are perfectly balanced.Most good consumer scissors weigh 250 to 500 grams.

The handles are not dipped in paint or rubber coated - they are stove enameled.

They are carbon steel with a HRC-65 hardness of the blade; the handles are softer even though the scissors are hot forged two-piece designs.

You can not see much daylight at all between the blades when closed which is a sign of perfect grinding.

They came in triple-wrapped bubble wrap and on each individual package was written "Sharp Scissors" in red marker pen !

Now I know why they had 3 warning labels on them - they can cut off 1/25th of an inch of a cigarette paper accurately and effortlessly with the very tips of the blade - unbelievable precision for such massive scissors.They can also cut 50 plus layers of paper towels effortlessly; I am not kidding.

They are hand made by an English craftsman with over six decades of experience; I`ve seen him on their website.He is well over retirement age.

The firm in Sheffield, South Yorkshire has been making hand made scissors continuously since 1760.

There is only a handful of staff in the whole 100 plus year old tiny factory.

They were an unbelievable bargain - less than £60 with tax and FEDEX next day delivery.

They are easily worth £300 plus - they are heirloom scissors and one of the best bargains I`ve ever seen.

Naturally I`ve ordered some more Whiteley scissors - a pair of ten inch ones for glass fibre, carbon fibre and kevlar / aramid and some five inch electricians scissors which were both less than £100 all inc.

They also do bespoke scissors with a waiting list and made scissors for the English Royal Family and the Great Exhibition of 1851 in the Crystal Palace - London.

I`ve seen pictures of their scissors and they are truly works of art - fully jeweled and pierced and mirror polished like a Swiss watch.

Their normal range goes from £6 - £7 up to £6700.00 and bespoke is sky is the limit.

Naturally they ship Worldwide and have distributers in North America.

For the handmade quality the prices are unbelievably low; they must be doing it for love and pride
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Those are amazing. If you don't mind me asking, where did you order/get them from? I'm not finding them on the William Whiteley website, but did see them OOS at Godrich Sewing. You can DM, if you'd prefer.
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